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amanda_lewin
#81 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 9:55:52 PM Quote
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The PM have been returned to us until MONDAY so that we can take any information out we need/want etc....

I think we as members should ask NRAS if we can moderate this group between us?

We could vote in two or three people who are committed to the forum and will be willing to keep an eye upon things.

BUT PM must remain private!
merryberry
#82 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:13:25 PM Quote
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PM aren't remaining.

Calmwater22
#83 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:00:07 PM Quote
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lol what nitemare i cartn work out how extract my archived pms been supporting others given good tips how does ones ave lol il chck barbs post again maybe a brain light left work that out.
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Lylie
#84 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:16:10 PM Quote
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I understand that this issue has now been dealt with by NRAS, and whoever it was who Pm'd someone and insulted them has been reprimanded.

That is excellent news ......................... and it's what should have been done in the first place, without involving the entire forum at all.

So lets have the PMs back, please. We are NOT children, and are well able to choose what we read/post without NRAS treating us as imbeciles.
Always be aware that what you do might hurt others........and if it could, do nothing without careful consideration of the consequences
Debbie11
#85 Posted : Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:56:25 PM Quote
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Hi all, I am gobsmacked to say the least!!!!!!!!! I haven't been on for afew days and can't believe what has blown up in the meantime.

I have to say for a forum that we pay for, it is the worst run forum I have ever been on. Members are offering to be moderators, which this forum is crying out for. Please NRAS listen to the members requests. PMs are such a vital means of support, it enables you to discuss more personal matters and become real friends with people. Who as others have stated are often low and housebound. I must say I am seriously thinking as to whether I will renew my membership, the fuss every couple of months seems to be so great. It could be avoided by a properly moderated site!!!!

What a shame someone could be so unkind to another member and ruin it for everyone, they should just be banned or warned then banned. It isn't fair to penalise veryone. I haven't seen any post re the lightheareted banter of the forum. I would be upset if that side of things was removed. Some days with this illness are so hard, a good laugh lifts the spirits. You have a choice whether to participate or not.

I am sad this happened.

Deb x
Mandy_M
#86 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:26:14 AM Quote
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I wonder if one issue has been overlooked. There has been many incidents of Cyber-Bullying reported to the police recently. If, in providing the PM facility, NRAS can be held 'legally' responsible for this, then it MUST go. If a member wishes to continue a friendship privately, they are offering to help in this. Yes, we pay for Membership, but so do others who have no reason or wish to use the Forum, so it is not exclusively ours, surely.

I fully agree with Elenors post (PrioryC) in many ways. At one time or another, we have all been vulnerable and fragile, emotional and raw, striking out, or miss interpreting written words. It is wonderful that good friendship can be formed through this site, but cliques and sub groups will also develop, which in turn might alienate new members, so it would be very difficult to appoint moderators who could balance all these needs. Adults we might be, but isn't there a child still in all of us? - ready to have a tantrum when it all gets too much?

lizziemouse
#87 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:45:04 AM Quote
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NRAS Please please please, can this be resolved?

Don't want you to lose members and subscriptions as I think you are a REALLY great charity - so much so that I am doing a 10K run to raise money for NRAS and still wish to be involved in charity events and fundraising on your behalf in the future. I think you stand out as a charity that really fights for our rights and Big Ups the profile of RA especially at a political level, i think your work is amazing.

I have been completely without any support like this until very recently and can vouch for the fact that the emotional support has been absolutely IMMENSE and must not be under estimated. Many of us find ourselves "fighting the systems" in our daily lives and this can be so weary making, deflating and depressing.
Feeling down is also a very common side effect of RA, medications etc and recent decisions are affecting people s emotional well being, please can you liaise with us a bit more to help support those that this is affecting most, maybe send emails to all of us and PLEASE help us feel involved in decision making about this forum which we have all paid to join.
Please can you let us know if there is future scope for discussion with other forum sites about best practice solutions or for some to be involved as moderators, as Merryberry discussed in her post yesterday?

Thank you ~ from Liz (and also on behalf of my daughter, fellow runner and fund raiser - Sophie, 16, who doesnt know anything about all this yet!)
HellyC
#88 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:07:49 AM Quote
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Think the last 2 posts have said it all..... we do pay for membership to NRAS which includes the magazine etc... the forum I believe is a bonus as not every member will have access to the internet or may even want to use a forum.

We do need to get this resolved, sooner rather than later as all we are doing in the long run is causing more stress and alienating new members.



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merryberry
#89 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:26:44 AM Quote
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'We' the forum users are not causing stress. A negative response to another abuse of power in our forum is not the cause of this problem. It is being caused by very basic mismangement of an online community.

I have RA. Last time I looked I hadn't had a partial lobotomy, personality bypass or surgical removal of my years of management, technical or social media experience or regressed to the age of 5.

I have a toddler to put to bed, and a set of meals to batch up in the kitchen. I will come back and post something new and possibly progressive this afternoon.
lizziemouse
#90 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:43:42 AM Quote
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exactly, it is the "situation" that is causing stress and this is what needs to be resolved, please NRAS xxxxx
barbara-o
#91 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:26:16 AM Quote
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Like many people here on the forum, I could do without the additional stress and entirely agree with Franky's point that this has not been managed properly by NRAS. I've never belonged to an online community before and this is my first experience, well what can I say......

As always,

love,

Barbara
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HellyC
#92 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:27:09 AM Quote
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lizziemouse wrote:
exactly, it is the "situation" that is causing stress and this is what needs to be resolved, please NRAS xxxxx


and that is exactly what I meant... I never meant to insinuate that the members were the problem but at same time I think we need to start directing this directly to NRAS rather than on this forum where new members will wonder what the hell they have walked in to...

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lizziemouse
#93 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:40:39 AM Quote
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i've emailed, awaiting reply xx
ailsa
#94 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:24:23 PM Quote
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I have been very saddened by the response of some members to the decision to remove Private Messaging. As a charity, we work extremely hard to provide the best range of services for people with RA and feedback would suggest that many of you agree. However, in regard to a facility such as the forum which should be a safe place where people can exchange empathetic and helpful peer support, we have to be responsible and act in the best interests of all members and the charity. We have not taken the decision to remove PM lightly and it was done in the light of serious misuse of this facility which has had unfortunate repercussions for one user and their family. You must understand we cannot publish details.

As mentioned above, the forum is intended for supporting and informing all members and has been a fantastic support to many people over the years. We would like it to continue to grow in this way. We have absolutely no wish to interfere in any way with forum life, but when a mechanism is identified for which we are responsible, which can be abused in this way, we have no alternative but to act and I’m sorry that it has impacted on everyone. Believe me we have discussed every other possible eventuality but finally had no option.

This incident has highlighted to us the potential risks of private messaging (which wasn’t available on the old website) particularly to those members who may be vulnerable and low with their RA. As you know, we have offered to put users in touch with each other if they wish to communicate privately and this we are happy to do. I know this is not as convenient as the PM option, but we feel we have to protect all our members and the charity from any possible future abuse.

As you know we do have a moderator system in place but we are looking to improve this and are currently reviewing the options available. In the meantime the existing moderators and NRAS membership staff are moderating and dealing with the forum.

With best wishes
Ailsa Bosworth
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merryberry
#95 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:34:43 PM Quote
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Hello Ailsa, welcome and thank you for posting. It's nice to see you here.

I for one stand by opinion that removal of the PM is overkill. HThat strong responses care found to be saddening is a shame to read, and my impression of being treated like a naughty child deepens. I'd be thrilled to see such sign of life and care in forum members. If it is not possible to discuss it openly, so be it. Using a 'contact another user' type facility will have to do on this forum. From what we saw of what we guess was the issue, it seemed to have been dealt with fine by the parties concerned. Of course, we will never know. So be it.

It would have been interesting to be part of a discussion of 'every other possibility', it would have been enagaging for many members to contribute to and learn from.

The forum is a fantastic support, but many of us feel concerned about unwritten rules, implicit judgements. It's stifling. Anyway, can you please advise us on the cloud of other stuff we're fogged about in relation to forum management?

1. I'm lost about the moderation system already being in place. What is this? I feel properly dumb now, can someone please point me to this info?

2. Can we please have clarification of what the ‘lighthearted thread’ thing was all about, the paranoia levels flying around off-board are shocking?

3. Members really want to self moderate. Please can you discuss it WITH us, not present a fait accompli?

4. From my personal experience of reporting an abusive post (in my opinion) I've been left in limbo. Can you ensure feedback from this 'report as abusive' facility is forthcoming?

5. The forum guidelines are presented as static, but could they be opened for discussion and agreed amendment between members and NRAS team? The guidelines, like the forum, can then evolve as a managed process and these bumpy times the forum has don't turn into major implosions. Every time something crops up, we run around trying to figure out how to discuss, negotiate, understand. All for lack of clear power structure.


Thank you, and the whole team, Franky.



amanda_lewin
#96 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:04:51 PM Quote
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HI,

I am not going to write on this thread again.

Personally, I think what Ailsa has said is correct and that they do have a duty to safeguard vulnerable people on this forum.

This situation has now been dealt with and so I suggest we just accept NRAS's decision and move on.

We ALL use this forum for support, advice and friendship and this is what we should all be directing our depleted energy levels at.

Much love,

Amanda



merryberry
#97 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:09:28 PM Quote
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Yep, so be it on PM, just as I said. The other stuff are just unexploded problems going to go off again in future, if we have no say in management decision about to be taken.

Let's do this, ooh every 3 months shall we? That looks about the frequency going back over both forums. Scared
MrsWoman
#98 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:35:52 PM Quote
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I am sure we had the option of showing our email on our profile on the previous web. I noticed that merryberry has been able to put a link to her blog. Is there another way that we can send each other pms without having to post it on a thread? I know other forums take the privilege away from the members that dont follow or breach the guidelines. It such a pity to limit our contact and wonder if there are other ways of doing it. I agree with Amanda that the decision has been made and we should move forward and find an alternative. However if we do post our email address on the thread then its open for anyone to do so - perhaps it should be on invitation (ist this possible?) or elect whether we wish to have our private emails visible but there is always a risk factor of receiving a out of order email by misinterpretation or intent.

Mari

Tabbycat
#99 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:49:40 PM Quote
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merryberry wrote:

The forum is a fantastic support, but many of us feel concerned about unwritten rules, implicit judgements. It's stifling. Anyway, can you please advise us on the cloud of other stuff we're fogged about in relation to forum management?

Thank you, and the whole team, Franky.






Where can we read a copy of the Charity's Constitution and its rules relating to forum use and PM'ing?
Carol
HellyC
#100 Posted : Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:37:12 PM Quote
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Tabbycat wrote:
Where can we read a copy of the Charity's Constitution and its rules relating to forum use and PM'ing?



The NRAS Forum Guidelines can be found when you first come onto the forum, under the Forum Help & Guidelines section
Helly x

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